The Britannic, when launched, had 16 portholes, consistent with the later port side configuration of the Titanic and the Olympic. Take the dining saloon. --Mal 21:03, 18 February 2007 . But this is not due to it being the Olympic. Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. They were mostly Belfast men - i.e. There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. Now, director James Cameron is hoping . The fireplace filmed in 1995 and which partly was shown in the "Titanic" movie at the beginning were actually the fireplace of sitting room B 51 which was occupied by Mrs. Cardeza and her son. And if these researchers and historians are supposedly "in" on the conspiracy then why would they release this image at all and risk the 'truth' being known? Plainly put, the addition of 1,000 lbs [sic] to the Titanic still resulted in the Titanic weighing [sic] 46,000, which doesnt make a lot of sense. Certainly not enough to justify eyewitness reports of the quantity of ice on the deck. the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). The bulkheads were not actually sealed at the top, this oversight allowed water to flow over, filling each compartment, one at a time. James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . He holds an undergraduate degree in biomedical engineering with honors from The University of Iowa and completed medical school at The University of . The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . Both had the same configuration of portholes in March 1912. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. and loss account for the year to December 31 st 1911 was in surplus by 1,102,756 Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above Obviously realising that planning a collision in the North Atlantic would be Carpathia was the planned rescue ship from the wreck was actually the crows nest (or lookout) bell, and he states: on Titanic had a "slight, but permanent, list to port" as observed by Lawrence Beesley and "several other surviving passengers.". Researchers Bill Sauder and Parks Stephenson have come to the conclusion that in fact the dining room was not carpeted. https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. This has already been discussed here. Titanic prior to her departure on her maiden voyage. As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. the game. The number 401, Titanic's shipyard number, is also on the Titanic's starboard propeller. 2. Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. had switched ships at layup and that an insurance scam was going on. Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. Lack of testimony. It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. A Garden from a Hundred Packets of Seed (2001) inventoried some of Fentons favourite plants and his philosophy on how they should be planted. After this documentary went to air Steve Hall co-authored a new book Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. Some also claim that the reason some crew did not sign up was specifically because 'the only thing that could not be made to look new were the ship's boilers, having already been used for 12 months on Olympic before the switch' and noticing this on the Belfast to Southampton crossing they decided to 'get off' at Southampton. Sometime later in a documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" the following image appeared: An obviously faked computer generated image of the letters M and P on the wreck. Claim: Photographs taken of Titanic at Southampton shortly before her maiden voyage show a large area of discoloured plating, as if it had been newly painted with paint that did not quite match the original, in the same location as Olympic's hull was damaged by HMS Hawke. Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the In 1973 Terminal Moraine (1972), his first full-length collection of poetry, won the Eric Gregory Award. Titanic's split as portrayed in James Cameron's 1997 "Titanic" film. It was longer as it had to cover up the word Olympic that occupied more space. His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. 5. Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. It was also carrying no passengers, at a time when due to the coal strike and so many ships confined to port there would be plenty of people eager to pay above the cost in cash to get to Boston. Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. It was written in response to an article In 1910, IMMs net profit was a mighty $4,849,580, And, there is no evidence that I am aware of that points to the damage being more serious than was admitted Gardiners speculation notwithstanding. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! The claim does not align with Ballard's writing on the matter. So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. is unfair and disingenuous at best. The origin of this seems to have come from Paddy the pig, also known as James Fenton, who later in life related the following: When the NOTE: There is also an allegation in the form of 'meme' that the wreck does not match Titanic's B-deck window configuration, which is addressed in full in this point here. And they were not the only ones. There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. Titanic sailor's deathbed confession of 'switch' The art of not violating the verse. Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant 43. Some drowned, some were probably killed below decks and there is speculation that an officer may have committed suicide. in the Government. 5. Thomas Newman, Per l'obra Skyfall (2013) Steven Price, Per l'obra Gravity (2014) Alexandre Desplat, Per l'obra The Grand Budapest Hotel (2015) El BAFTA a la millor msica s un premi que atorga la BAFTA ( British Academy of Film and Television Arts) en una cerimnia anual, en reconeixement a la millor banda sonora . 45. There are a couple of important points to first realise. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. 28. She worked up to 80. Albert Edward James* -Able bodied seaman Hosgood, R. -Fireman Hosking, G. F. -Senior third engineer . Even if he did blatantly confuse the names of the ships, it would be clear evidence there was not a 'switch', as otherwise he would have been absolutely sure to get the correct name of the ship to ensure the fraud was watertight. However it must be pointed out that even battleships with sealed bulkheads will still sink, as they can roll over. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was Oxford Professor of Poetry for the . So the public and media were certainly not barred from touring her prior to her voyage. 5. Firstly, a Harland & Wolff photograph of Olympic, taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, which shows her to have had a 'vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe'. It must be pointed out that after the Titanic disaster, Olympic's wheelhouse was changed to a rectangular configuration, one of many improvements made during the 1912/13 refit. In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. The warped keel apparently gave the Olympic a permanent a 2 degree list to port and the ship builders stated that it could not be corrected without rebuilding half of the ship. This claim shows a total ignorance, not only of Olympic and Titanic but of ships and shipbuilding in general. Claim: Olympic could B. Ismay had all the linoleum flooring on the new "RMS Titanic" covered up with new carpet. Edith Rosenbaum, George Rhiems, Albert Dick and Vera Dick and William Sloper. and this slipped to $4,509,270 in 1911. Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge investigated this account in their book As for the White Star Line itself, it was the Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. He also may have been confused with the Reception Room, which did indeed have wall-to-wall carpet on the Olympic. The boats were left until December 1912 in New York. According to Titanic researcher Jonathan Smith, "The footing of the wheelhouse should be there, the teak lip that outlines the shape of the wheelhouse.". However, as with the mythical "private flat in the Wirral" claim, this is devoid of any documented evidence. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. 21. The switch theory primarily rests on the alleged premise that the sinking was a deliberate act to recover insurance money, to rescue the White Star Line from bankruptcy. principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit Difference in port side joint plating, 20. While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. 1852) and Susannah Haryott (b. 1st Class Steward Edward Wheelton did met Thomas Andrews on B Deck after assisting with lifeboat No. Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. The fields are mined and the wind blows cold. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one Numerous ships were stationed nearby despite a coal strike, 27. This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. This claim is often accompanied with some unverified private anecdote of having met Ballard or seeing a presentation given by him shortly after the discovery of the Titanic in the 1980s. Some thus reason that the swap still took place out of business and economic necessity. (Click image to enlarge). Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the However both RMS Olympic and RMS Titanic had their names riveted oncovering something up perhaps? The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. And so we have established that the Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved. Skip to Content. It was only when she collided with an iceberg in a freak set of circumstances that she was suddenly thrust back into the media spotlight. Claim: Since an iceberg could not inflict such damage on a steel double-hulled vessel such as the Titanic, it must have hit According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? The long list of differences is discussed on the previous page here. Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. Visit Fenton's special Poetry Archive webpage and listen to recordings of him reading the poems 'Wind', 'Blood and Lead', 'Jerusalem', and 'In Paris with You'. of the surviving crew. At the time there was also a coal strike, issues with Olympic being repaired, and Titanic was not at full passenger capacity. seemingly confuses the two in name. B-deck window spacing on the wreck Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. The claim that Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller has been made as a defense for the fact that the propeller on the wreck has Titanic's number on it: 401 By that time Olympic was at Belfast and underwent a major refit which also included new davits and new lifeboats which were larger than the previous lifeboats.". Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. Carpathia (58 miles Cunard Line, Eastbound: Left New York Tuesday, Gibraltar and Mediterranean ports If there was enough sufficient evidence to prove the wreck is in fact the Olympic why would you need to fake something such as this? Far from the wisdom of the brain. sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. Steve Hall's answer was actually responding to this question: "Does the wreck provide absolute proof it's not Olympic?" If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. Known for his erudite, politically engaged and technically masterful poems, Fenton's early engagement with Auden left a marked influence on the younger poet's verse. It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. B. Ismay know this? Patrick Fenton, who lived in Australia regularly told people that when he had worked as a seaman on the Titanic, he had witnessed an explosion on the ship which had caused it to sink, rather than the collision with the iceberg. According to Gardiner, the original plan to pull off the sinking after the switch was to slowly flood the ship by opening the seacocks. But this should not misconstrued as anything unusual, but common practice for a company which suddenly comes under media scrutiny and wants to maintain Stick to the path. If 'switch' conspiracy theorists believe this is the smoking gun of a switch James A. Fenton aka "Paddy the Pig" Paddy Fenton is someone who had told his fellow seamen that they were in fact switched. But also there would be no need to. According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "no such statement from any passenger is known." form near me in the afternoon and had questioned the library steward how he should declare his patent) said, "Well, I am accustomed to estimating distances and I put it at There is nothing here on which to base a 'switch' theory. Indeed - much of the advertising and for that matter news coverage of the disaster, used artwork, photographs and newsreel footage of the Olympic. However Southampton, (which had replaced Liverpool as a major international hub) was where transatlantic liners such as what White Star and Cunard operated were based, and hence the crew based in Southampton were experienced, international crew. Could it be Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. 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